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POSTED BY: MollyAhearn on Apr 9, 2008 [ QUOTE ]
Shoot First, Ask Questions Later?


What are the ethics involved with photographing people? Should you ask first? Is it invading someone’s privacy to photograph them without their knowledge? Does it make a difference if you shoot for art or if you’re a reporter? Were some of the famous spur-of-the-moment photos really staged, and not spontaneous?

When I was first interested in photography, I bought a copy of The Family of Man, Edward Steichen’s selected photographs for a MOMA exhibition celebrating human life, birth to death. To write this, I grabbed it down from the shelf and dusted off the cover. As powerful as ever, I marvel at its complete documentation of an era. Now I see where I developed my love of black-and-white imagery. Somehow, black-and-white conveys a purity of intention and motion that can get lost in the glamour of color. Flipping through its worn pages, I stop at two different, but same, portraits of three generations. On one page, an African family from Bechuanaland (now Batswana) poses outside their grass hut (Nat Farbman for Life); opposite, an American family gathers around the wood stove (Nina Leen for Life). There is a stark contrast in lifestyle but there is a sameness in the value of family. I treasure the work of many of the photographers within its pages: W. Eugene Smith, Dorothea Lange, Margaret Bourke-White, Henri Cartier-Bresson, Robert Frank, Elliott Erwitt, Gary Winogrand and so many others. I was drawn to the way they said so much within a simple photographed moment. A boy screaming his support of his little league team, an American-Japanese woman at a U.S. prison fence, a man throwing his girlfriend playfully into a Coney Island wave, a German boy headed to school amid the war ruins, a scientist holding the hope of a solution in a glowing test tube.

Did these photographers stop to ask permission? Not all tell. There has been a lot of controversy about the Robert Capa’s Spanish Civil War photograph of a loyalist soldier collapsing to his death after having been freshly shot. Capa, who said, “if your photos aren’t good enough, you’re not close enough,” claimed he was in the right place at the right time. Many, however, feel that the chances of him being that close and ready with his camera at exactly that moment, are slim. If he did stage it, does it make the photo less powerful?

My own feelings and actions have changed over the years. As a younger, less confident person, I pretended to be with the press. People love to have their picture in the paper. Plus, I have always found that if you have a big camera and a little guts, people will let you shoot wherever you want. During the Desert Storm parade through lower Manhattan, I went wherever I wanted, with the blessing of the cops. I shot inside the ring for many a rodeo, diving for the fence when a bull got too close. I never asked anyone if I could take their picture, fearing they’d say no. But, they always knew I was photographing them.

I still don’t usually ask permission first, but for different reasons. My feeling is that you’ve lost the moment if you stop to ask. Somehow asking permission implies a complicity between you and them that prevents genuineness. Better to shoot first, ask later. Now that I’ve developed a body of work that I’m proud of and feel represents me, I tell people the truth, that I don’t work for the press, but for myself. Sometimes they don’t want anything to do with me, but most of the time, people support me and agree to let me show their image. I confess it still makes my stomach flip a little when I ask someone to sign a release. It’s so important to me, and they have the power to build me up or tear me down.

I do feel, however, that you have to be careful not to compromise a fellow human being’s dignity. I don’t think photographers should exploit their subjects. To me, there’s a big difference between a ‘stolen’ shot of a homeless person asleep on a stoop vs. a portrait of a person down on their luck that conveys a sense of compassion. That would be one instance where I’d ask first.

What do you think?





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POSTED BY: SCB_PHOTO on Apr 16, 2008 [ QUOTE ]
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Molly, glad you asked me to join this group as this is a great topic and I cannot believe you have not had any responses.
My thoughts on your posting:
Should you ask first?
Yes and no, this can be considered an invasion of someone’s privacy and on the other hand do you may not want to disturb someone.  Such is the case with my “Man in the Church Courtyard” photograph.  This person was possibly praying and I did not want to disturb them.  It was a case where the photograph would have been lost had I asked to take the photograph.
Is it invading someone’s privacy to photograph him or her without his or her knowledge?
If your subject is in a public place, I say no, so long as it is done in a professional way.
Does it make a difference if you shoot for art or if you are a reporter?
I say no to this one also.
 Were some of the famous spur-of-the-moment photos staged, and not spontaneous?
I think some could have been posed, i.e. Iwo Jima – rising of the flag.


Did these photographers stop to ask permission? Not all tell.
In some cases the photographers you spoke of did ask permission, and in many cases paid their subjects.  However, many of the photographs would not have been made if they stopped and asked permission in every case.  I have studied the photographs you listed and have many of their books.  Each had a distinct style and purpose in making the photographs that they did.
I believe that Capa’s Spanish Civil War photograph of a loyalist soldier collapsing to his death after having been freshly shot may very well have been a staged photograph (my opinion from what I have read). I also agree with his statement  “if your photos aren’t good enough, you’re not close enough,”.  I believe you need to get close enough to capture the emotion, and this does not mean you have to be in someone’s’ face to be close enough.  If he did stage it the photo it is no-less powerful, he was an artist trying to convey a strong message – mission accomplished.


I agree with your statement that you should never ever compromise a fellow human being’s dignity. I too do not think photographers should exploit their subjects.
Thanks for posting this sensitive topic.
Steve B




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POSTED BY: JWSPhotoArts on May 2, 2008 [ QUOTE ]
It Depends


If you plan to sell the image and the person is recognizable – ask first. 

 

FYI- Regarding the Capa Spanish Soldier.  The original negatives were recently discovered which I read proved that the image was “real”.  Here is a link to an article regarding the discovery

 

 http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/arts/design/27kenn.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

  

 





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POSTED BY: MollyAhearn on May 3, 2008 [ QUOTE ]


Fascinating article. Thanks for sharing that. It doesn't say, though, that they've found that negative. They seem to still be going through it all. I was surprised to learn that some photos attributed to Capa could actually have been taken by his lady partner Taro.




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